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amy eden


All too many people are going through the same things! :-)
Sometimes the alcoholism skips a generation, and someone feels like they were raised in an alcoholic home where theres no drinking (because the grandparent drank as passed down an alcoholic parenting style, without the alcohol. There may be other things, though...work-aholism.)

It IS interesting how things get suddenly clearer (whats acceptable and whats not), and more urgent, sharply so -- once you have children of your own, as you say, to protect. When it comes to my son, Im quick to know whats right/wrong and where the limits are. I dont know if its your situation, but Ive needed to establish new boundaries with my father since he behaved in a way that was manipulative with my son...its one thing for my father to behave childishly with me, but I can choose not to have my child exposed to that. Its surprised me to see how quickly I had clear thinking about how to protect my son...it wasnt and still isnt as clear to me how to do so for myself when situations arise.
It DOES feel odd -- like dizziness, illness, like somethings wrong -- when we do something new, that goes against our hard-wiring, like setting boundaries. Its anti-intuitive, to feel ill when doing the right thing, but its because the body/mind/spirit is scared out of its wits to be doing something so new and uncomfortable (uncomfortable, yet good in the long run.)
It gets easier with practice. I think we learn to recognize the withdrawal feelings, the dizziness, disorientation...and see that for what it is, and get slowly more brave about new behaviors.
Whats worked with your mother - feel free to share what worked. Always looking for tips!
ae

gina

how wonderful to see other people going through the same things.what a relief to realize you're not crazy. my mother is not an alcoholic, but my father and grandfathers were. living alone for thirty years now my mother, though she doesn't drink exhibits classic alcoholic behaviour almost as though taking my father's place in the family through osmosis or assimilation. no longer the victim, she now becomes the aggressor. mean, critical, unstable, emotionally destructive, manipulative and the list goes on. and it seems as that as she gets older the tendency toward this type of behaviour gets worse. I've recently taken some steps away from her to protect myself and my family (isn't it interesting how things become clearer when you have your own children to protect). I'm learning to set bounderies in a healthy way but I find myself going through some sort of strange sensation almost like withdrawal. or is it just a matter of questioning wether or not we doing the right thing? does the feeling ever go away? or is it a lifetime of setting bounderies and struggling? --gf

amyeden

Ed, You cut right through to the heart of it. Our parents aren't "bad" people, but they do/say terrible things that we sometimes decide, out of self-respect, to protect ourselves from (and our offspring), but it feels unnatural and wrong to keep away from one's parents. Because they are our parents. That's why it's hard to make and keep up with a decision to keep distance. I struggle with that decision too. (And of course, somehow, the alcoholic insists on being seen as the victim in all this...) Children/grandchildren make it especially complex. I think that question about not knowing if you're making the right decision doesn't go away. That question comes from a kindhearted place. I think it's entirely possible to do the right thing for you and your family and yet feel some level of misgiving about it. I found geographical distance helpful...for the 15 years that I had it. --ae

Ed

This was a struggle for me.

I grew up in a home with an alcoholic mother. She has a big heart and that is the worst part. For many years I was the responsible child. Always cleaning up after her actions throughout my high school years. Hiding and protecting at the same time. It was not until my adult years that I realized the damage that was done. Never having friends over. A girlfriend was out of the question. It is funny that they thought I would be a priest. My belongings constantly sifted through to find money. No personal space.

Fast forward to today. I am now married and have kids. I will not allow this "disease" into my life. She is a great woman with a big heart but a lowsy drunk. Hurtful. Spiteful. Classic alcoholic.

I have since put up boundaries. It was a constant struggle. The family get togethers were like waves on a shore. Sometimes calm, other times it would be like a tsumani. I have now said enough is enough.

Since the last visit, when she became stoned on her "medication" while sitting on my sofa, I have said she is not allowed in my home. This has led to phone calls with her pleading to see her grandchildren.

It is a daily struggle and this is the first step and the hardest. I never know if I am making the correct decsion but I need this for myself and my family.

Teek

I have had so many people in my life who were supposed to be my friends etc. as well as family COMPLETELY IGNORE my specifically set boundaries and do whatever they felt like with my things, my spaces and even my animals (things that hurt or killed them) that I have to just say NO in a lot of areas now. I don't know what it was about me that they would blow off a specific instruction or an outright No, do NOT TOUCH this item, but I have had to become very aware and cautious. I have learned that people will do what they want. I now sometime outline penalties.

My husband is an egregious offender, I have told him over 7 years now to please not leave my expensive Japanese chef knives in the sink. The best one was there tonight. One it's not good for the knife, two if I don't see it I could get cut as they are extremely sharp. I will have to tell him if it happens again I will leave his 2K bike out in the alley unlocked, I am fairly fed up with his disrespect. Reasoning and careful explanation doesn't seem to make a dent. In this kind of example, the person was either raised by wolves or is engaging in covert/aggression. I don't put up with that either.

Kate Wheeler

I love the idea of finding that cool, relaxed, shady feeling. The word 'boundaries' is getting very tired and it never resonated much
for me--sounded fussy and like I'd end up keeping people out of my life somehow. This shadiness much more visceral and intuitive and your descriptions of situations were helpful too. (Though with this nor-easter here today I need to fast forward into summer). thanks amy!

Kate

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