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Sparky

Hi Amy,

"If anyone has inside information on the current staus of the Ala-non and ACA relationship, feel free to post a comment."

Thanks I posted alot about this very important ACA-Al-anon seperation topic.

Al-anon ACOA vs. ACA-Dysfunctional Families

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I listened to a guy that had some great recovery and he said in his home group the first thing the do is help newcomers make sure they are even in the right place. I do think that is very important.

He went on to say which I have seen and experienced myself having Al-anon/ACOA issues and being in AA can get quite confusing sometimes. Tony A. the ACA founder actually said in his presentation, "The A.A. Steps can make an ACOA crazy", I do like Tony's Steps!

My opinion of Al-anon is that it is a great program yet like A.A. the singleness of purpose and strict non - conference approved literature policy limits me too much at times. ACA's open literature policy is more helpful to me.

I do want to discuss PTSD, Codependency and other things related to my recovery too without feeling like I am limited and or doing something wrong. Road To Recovery is a bit limited and I want to stay more focused on the grief process. The stuck feelings of the fight,flight or freeze response. I have lots of stuck feelings and my body tells me all about it.

The newer Al-anon book "Transforming Our Losses" touches alot on grief but just not enough for me. This current rebuilding of Adult Children of Alcoholics/Dysfunctional Families...seperate from Al-anon ACOA has been interesting.

I do wish the ACA WSO board of trustees was full, currently I think there are about 8 trustees and currently just a small service structure. I am also investigating about the history of both Al-anon and ACA, ACOA, Adult Children Anonymous it gets confusing at times.

One main Al-anon principle is about detachment and although ACA/Dysf. Families (ACA WSO) also talks about detachment and integration I think ACA has more to do with the Inner Child concepts and more understanding of the importance of getting to the anger before the forgiveness.

PTSD can cause real detachment within, so although I do go to both Al-anon and ACA I feel there are actually completely different.

ACA vs.AL-Anon


ACA/Dysfunctional Families, ACDF, Al-Anon's ACOA; Adult Child Anonymous., Miracles In progress, Step Chat, etc..can't we all get along. LOL

It's like the Native Americans in my area ever wants there own seperate tribe.

The information passed on by my ACA Fellow Travelers helped to give me clarity when I first came to ACOA type recovery.

Besides the different First Step and the different Tradition Seven funds I have learned ACA has the copyrights to The Problem ,The Solution and The ACA Promises "is" ACA WSO conference approved literature.

The Problem,The Solution and The Promises "is not" Al-Anon Adult Child Anonymous conference approved literature.

I was listening to the Marty.S presentation again this morning and realized he mentions the reason ACA had to separate from Al-Anon in the very first few minutes of this presentation. http://www.acawso.org/Marty_S.htm

Marty S. said at the 2006 ACA convention:


The major piece of literature we used was the Problem and it was not conference approved literature.....(quoting his friend)"It was put in a box and shoved under the table"”
The "We" he is referring to is Al-Anon ACA.

Here are two quotes from an ACA Fellow Traveler:
#1.)

While Al Anon and ACA are Twelve Step programs, they are somewhat different in focus and approach. Al Anon primarily focuses on familial alcoholism and how to live detached and serenely with a drinking alcoholic or to live a better life with an alcoholic, who has found recovery. In Al Anon, the Al Anon focus on self and works their own program.

In ACA, we focus on ourselves as well and work our own program. With the Twelve Steps, we focus on recovering from the effects of growing up in an alcoholic or dysfunctional home. We believe the effects of a dysfunctional home guide or steer our behavior and thoughts as adults. Unlike, Al Anon, we look at the family system in addition to inventorying our own behaviors in recovery.

The ACA member looks at dysfunctional family roles, harmful messages and other abuse involved in growing up in a dysfunctional home. We believe it is essential and healing to work the Twelve Steps and to look at the family system as we also concentrate on our individual behaviors and thoughts.

If you look at Al Anon's First Step and ACA's First Step, you will see the difference.

Al Anon -- Step One:
``We admitted we were powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable.''

ACA -- Step One:
``We admitted we were powerless over the effects of alcoholism and other family dysfunction, that our lives had become unmanageable.


#2.)

Hello,
I agree with the idea of having ACA meetings that adhere to the principles and the Twelve Steps of ACA. I believe in clarity for ACA meetings so that newcomers are clear on which fellowship they are involved with. I can't tell you how many times I read these two questions on this forum.

1) ``What is the difference between ACA and ACoA?'' (None).

2) ``Is ACA and Al-Anon ACoA the same thing?'' (No).

ACA WSO has done its best to present the answer to these questions in ACA literature and through this forum and we will continue to do so while remaining respectful to Al-Anon and other Twelve Step fellowships.

With the publication of our new fellowship text, more and more people are understanding that ACA is an autonomous 12-Step program that is separate from other fellowships.

They understand that this separation is reasonable and in line with the separation called for by AA and Al-Anon and which works for AA and Al-Anon. More adult children are finding ACA and embracing our solution to the effects of growing up in an alcoholic or otherwise dysfunctional family.

Additionally, I respectfully ask that ACA meetings should not be confused with outside entities or other Twelve Step approaches that use ACA material but who do not use our fellowship name.

Adult Children of Alcoholics was the first Twelve Step fellowship to write literature that is specific to the adult child experience.

ACA meetings use the Laundry List (Problem), the Solution and the ACA Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions.

ACA meetings include ACA's foundational language of alcoholism and recovery from the effects of alcoholism.

ACA has widened its focus to gladly include adult children from other dysfunctional family types but we remain Adult Children of Alcoholics with a focus on the the effects of alcoholism.

We are not CoDA or Al-Anon ACoA or any other combination of other fellowships. These are fine programs but they are not who we are.


Thank You Very Much for that quote-clarity


In my understanding there has been an ongoing problems with ACA separating from Al-Anon for a long time.

1989 Caucus Session http://www.acawso.org/ipb/index.php?showtopic=538

“Jim M. noted that in the process of a years development of the Intergroup "(BREAKING AWAY FROM AL-ANON)" a very strong group conscience developed around the issue of inclusively. Here they discuss the name change Adult Children Anonymous and changing the name to Adult Children of Alcoholics.

It was decided the ACA would not discriminate against any individual, irregardless of background, as long as they identified with the characteristics of the Problem.

Currently there is actually an intergroup on the ACA WSO website using Adult Children Anonymous name. I find that VERY confusing and even against Traditions.

Again, The Problem is not Al-Anon conference approved. That appears to be a real on going problem to me.

In my understanding of the Identity Papers and the reason for this separation is explained very well in the first paragraph of:

The Identity Papers:
Finding Wholeness Through Separation http://www.acawso.org/ipb/index.php?showtopic=473

I did not come to ACA recovery for more confusion. I am glad I finally understand the difference between ACA/Dysfunctional families and Al-Anon.

I have also heard there is technically only one Adult Children of Alcoholics and it is ACA/Dysfunctional Families.I hope others can add to this topic and spare other newcomers of the confusion.

In my understanding with the 2006 final release of the ACA/Dysfunctional Families Text this separation of Al-anon ACOA and ACA will finally be 100% complete....eventually.

I also had quoted Dr.Jan alot but now I disagree with her. She said," Go to AA to get sober, then go to Al-anon to learn to detach then go to ACOA for recovery of core issues. Today I think that is too black and white thinking and know of many personally that could not get sober without doing family of origin work first or at least combined etc...

I also know there is alot of confusion between Tradition Seven funds. I attended a chat meeting once at ACA WSO website where someone used a Miracles In Progress format or was that a Stepchat format and the fund asked to be sent to Al-anon that was discusssed later at there ACA WSO meeting and cleared up.

I can support both but like the importance of understanding all the Traditions I do want to be clear where I am at the time and have respect fro that fellowship and not cross pollinating fellowships, not robbing from but actually supporting each when I choose.

I also heard Al-anon had been around since 1951 and yet Tony A. started the first ACA meeting but branched of from Al-anon etc.. I think in Tony's presenatation he says the Mothers were in Al-anon and the fathers were in AA and the Al-a-teens that turned 18 had no where safe to go.


http://www.adultchildren.org/lit/EarlyHistory.s

With all that said I am still not sure if I am ever in the right place myself...the I'm differert disease?

Thanks for listening



David McBurnett

ACA is a great fellowship, growing by leaps and bounds. The new complete text Big Red Book is an amazing gift to recovery.

amy eden


Amen to that, John. I think that the 12 Step people try to make room for non-religious and non-deity thinking by saying that one can define Higher Power as anything...even a rock. But you make a good point; I think that what youre saying is particularly appropriate for adult children, because were all too used to giving credit to others before giving it to ourselves! We ought to credit ourselves.

Mahamudra

By insisting "How can dependence on anything or anyone be helpful? Isn't it more effective and helpful for us to believe in our selves and our own strength, decisions and success. After all, I've really got no one to thank or give credit to but myself. I did all of the work. Not my higher power and not God. When is recovery going to be totally free of religion, god or a higher power? Wouldn't the whole process just be easier without it?", the commenter "12 Step Free" makes the same mistake as all formal religions -- insisting that their way is the only one true way. We're all climbing the same spiritual mountain "12 Step Free", but taking different routes.

Vanessa

I just want to point out that many of the traits has a flipside that can be positive - but when we live in fear it doesn't work... when we're working the program some of the characteristics that kill us have the ability to serve us.

Luann

WOW you have some great stuff on your page. I am alive and recovered because of ACOA and I am truly greatful to all who come before me and took the time to reach out to those of us without a voice or a clue.

Partick Brown

Maria Marsala wrote:

"PS. My recollection of his talk was that he, Tony Allen (yes, like most original ACoA's, we used our last names) and Kathleen S were "co-founders" of ACoA...."


Sorry, Maria but I have been informed otherwise and that Tony Allen was not is real name. Although Tony had different views on anonymity he did not use his real name. If you google around enough you can find his real name on the internet. I would go ahead and write it hear but I personally feel that the person that informed me was sort of name dropping and broke Tony's fairly well kept anonymity.

Maria Marsala

PS. My recollection of his talk was that he, Tony Allen (yes, like most original ACoA's, we used our last names) and Kathleen S were "co-founders" of ACoA. Tony was a stock broker on Wall Street and before he died in 2004, taught meditation in Florida. And that all the material that came about-- was spearheaded by Tony, but was a collaboration with a group of people.

The using our full names came from the concept that we should not be afriad of who we were. That having kept so much a secret, it was time for us to come out of hiding.

Maria Marsala

Great article about ACOA. I had the honor of attending an event or two where Tony spoke. And the PDF you have, I have .... from that meeting. Funny to see how something typewritten looks on the web :)

Thanks again. I miss the ACoA meetings, the way they were meant to be.

amyeden

Ann, hi and thanks for your comment!

It's just too ironic - so many of us really identify so strongly with Tony's Laundry List...yet it's an "unapproved" list!

Talk about control issues. :-)

In terms of AAC meetings...they are few and far between.

I hope others will start their own, whether AAC or ACA meetings.

--ae

ann

Al-Anon has separate meetings called AAC, Al-Anon's Adult Children. While the Laundry List is not Al-Anon Conference Approved Literature, groups may use it if they take a group conscience. Many AAC groups use the Laundry List this way. There is still tension over use of this document; in some states the Al-Anon groups will not list AAC groups that use it. My experience is that the people who are most against it, that is, they attend meetings and then dramatically announce that that Laundry List is not approved, are the one in most need of Adult Child recovery.
ACA, the fellowship which began in California, has an awesome Big Book which has just begun circulating where I live and it is having a huge impact.

12 step Free

I don't believe in God or a higher power. I am agnostic and believe in evolution. I know that one doesn't "have" to believe in God or be religious to benefit from the steps. I am a the perfect example of that. I was told in rehab that "I had better get on my knees and start praying." or I wasn't going to make it. Ooops! How are the steps supposed to work for me and others like me? The answer is that they don't work for me. I've been working on myself for many years, with no steps and no higher power. Just me and several therapists.
The following is from the above text "Lots of strength and self assurance, humility, dependence on God -all of this comes when an AC is dedicated to finally focusing on themselves with the help of God and others." How can dependence on anything or anyone be helpful? Isn't it more effective and helpful for us to believe in our selves and our own strength, decisions and success. After all, I've really got no one to thank or give credit to but myself. I did all of the work. Not my higher power and not God. When is recovery going to be totally free of religion, god or a higher power? Almost half of the country DOES NOT identify with any particular religion. Wouldn't the whole process just be easier without it? Do I have to modify the process and create my own "higher power", take what I want and leave the rest in order to recover? I think not!

Kimberly

Here are some more positive traits:

AC's may have an innate ability to lean on their Higher Power or it may come more easily and naturally to them because they have always needed their Higher Power tremendously.

AC's have a kindness and an empathy which, once steered in the proper direction and co-dependent behaviors are unlearned (!), can benefit highly others around him/her.

AC's have an excellent working sense of their Higher Power as their "inner voice" or "intuition."

AC's, once healed of core identity issues, have a beautiful humility which is characterized by their knowledge of their need for God - and at the same time have a real fortitude and strength, because humility is strength.

Once their denial habit is kicked, AC's have an incredible ability and courage to continue to taking a "fearless moral inventory."

AC's, when healed of core issues, have ability to see pitfalls of other AC's and can be a help and strength to those climbing out of the same pits.

Lots of strength and self assurance, humility, dependence on God -all of this comes when an AC is dedicated to finally focusing on themselves with the help of God and others.

Dave

I was just thinking about these traits and step 4. What I am reminded of is that there is a difference between a characteristic/defect and survival patterns. Overreacting to change was a trait of mine until I learned that it came from childhood. In my chaotic home I had to be vigilant and aware of my father at all times. When he was ready to go on a rage binge, I had to protect myself by "vacating". Whether it was physically or mentally. So my survival pattern was to flee, and that carried into adulthood.

Jeanette

ACAs Have The Ability To:
1. See red flags and warning signs
2. choose
3. change
4. love with wisdom
5. be empathetic
6. detach
7. give
8. care for self
9. reparent themselves
10. move forward. :)

secondchancetolive

Thank you for taking the time to explain the history of ACA and how the common characteristics were developed. Very interesting.

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